Safe havens saint or demon

[Koobelakahn]

damn dude... im sorry
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[Zero]

Man I remember hearing stories from a Marine about zipping a mother and her child trying to cross through a checkpoint at night.

The mother was covered in explosives and the little girl was using an AK-47 as a fake leg.

Like you said before, turning someone away and putting them to sleep is a necessary act, you prevent retribution, and you prevent the weakening of your defensive posture. I full heartedly agree.
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Vixi Perpetuo.

[Koobelakahn]

i do too, but sometimes humanity has to give in unfortunately. and thats where certain people will be stronger than others. im all for doing what is needed, but that doesnt mean ill be able to sleep well at night
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[Krue]

[Koobelakahn]

hellz to the YEAH!!!!!

(note how i dwell in the intro/random/the fun half of the forum.)
i has idea's id like to post (and sometimes i do) but lets face it, im too lazy to type it all out.
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[sphyo]

I feel bad that the guy lost sleep over it. But I honestly would have done the same thing and probably wouldn't have lost but a few days sleep. ( plus the fact I already don't sleep much as it is) He did what was necessary. I have been thinking about this post for the past week or so and came to this conclusion, I would be able to turn people away and secure my own survival and my groups survival. On the note of being "hard" i'll just say a little bit. The only times I was picked on was when I first moved to this school and now everyone knows not to. My friends and others think it's funny when people annoy me because they like the way it ends. I don't don't take shit and I don't start shit.
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Words are words, explanations are explanations, promises are promises, but ONLY PERFORMANCE IS REALITY

[Krue]

[Koobelakahn]

sorry dude, Zero already ripped mine out, and put it up as a mantlepeice

but he is right, decisions follow you. even stupid little ones like "what if id of done this instead of that?" or what if i posted this instead of that
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[Arda]

Krue, that story totally put it in perspective. Grim, painful perspective, but useful nonetheless.

That's probably what I would do. Call out a warning to someone approaching my perimeter. Several, if necessary. Not loud enough to alert every undead lurker in the area, but loud enough to be hear by the intended hearer. If they stop and respond, you can 1) assume that they understand intelligent speech, therefore are (probably) not in advanced stages of infection, and 2) they are chill enough to NOT freak out and become a loud, obnoxious liability. If they do not respond to a warning, or lose their barely-contained shit at the possibility of a safehouse and more survivors, they die.

I will say, though, that I would only do this if I was part of a group. If I was holed up somewhere by my lonesome, I don't give a damn; I have no backup and if you are unfortunate enough to stumble across me and my shelter, I will put you down. If you don't want to die, keep walking.

I agree that actions follow you, but neglecting some actions will not give you the chance to be haunted by them. It really is all about survival. I believe in the preservation of the human race, but some random lurker will have to do a whole hell of a lot to get me to help preserve their ass.
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Come you to trouble with your potent sneer
The feast of Life! or are you driven here,
To Pleasure's Sabbath, by dead lusts that stir
And goad your moving corpse on with a spur?
-Baudelaire

[Funnyman]

Unfortunately I tend to be rather paranoid, and that's going to play into this whole extremely unlikely scenario.

Because I plan on staying where I am at, it is going to be a bit easier to know who to let in and who not to let in based off of knowledge of the local community. People around here act certain ways, whereas people in other places I lived are completely different. So it's a bit easier to tell who is trust-able or not.

If the ZA happens, one of the only things I hope for is a very easy way to tell infected from non-infected people/animals.

As for non-infected persons, due to my paranoia, it's going to be very difficult to let anyone in, as Arda17 said, this is about survival, and me and my family come first. I could care less about others unless I have a REALLY good reason too. Whoever is outside should have prepared when they had the chance.
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"All that's necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."

Vixi Perpetuo

[Zero]

[zombieslasher86]

No one gets in.

Kill em' all, let god sort em out.

The last thing you need is to let in someone undercover from a another group that opens your gate and letting others in.
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Don't worry, if I fuck up, Zero will set my ass straight

[Zero]

[dLarr]

[sphyo45]

I'm glad to see my post from my original account is still being somewhat talked about.

Another idea but somewhat risky idea actually came up last night while I was at a party. Someone mentioned that if you don't have the room or supplies to take in other people (or don't want to) you could help them get established somewhere else outside of your shelter. The only thing about this is you would either just have to explain to them where to go. or you would have to set it up yourself or help them set it up.

the bonus to this is if you assisted others in living outside of your own shelter it would be like you were growing as a secure community of tribes that help each other out. And if you could keep a direct line of communication you would know if someone was approaching from that direction. especially if you were in a city and this happened. if you had multiple communities set up around you and you helped them all. they would all get attacked first or they would be able to spot something ahead of time before it got to you. Not to say you could slack off on keeping watch.

[penelope1496]

When it comes to killing a child, I don't know if I could or not but I agree with what Krue says he would do- quarantine them at first and an extensive cleaning/investigation about them- and DLarr has a point too, it could be another group of survivors sending a representative to possibly join forces.

But about in the first post where it says that you only have food for 1 year but you have a bunch of other stuff- so the issue of supplies available confused me, you have a green house, herbs, cattle- only female cows then??. It doesn't really sound like food is in short supply, obviously letting more people in could really tax your supply but then too if they can work you could harvest more.

The only thing I could feasibly see there being a problem is if like zombieslasher86 wrote about letting others in - they could be raiders, waiting until they can get in and try to take over because you have such a sweet setup going on. They can see that, its all in the open so it would be hard to ignore. It almost comes down to trust, trusting that if you let this person/persons in, that later on they won't double cross you or be a double some guy so to speak.

[The Flaming Mango]

First of all penelope, and this has been said before, you are/have a safe haven, this will attract people, so you need to be prepared to deal with that. Also krue pretty much cornered the market on good responses, so I'll have what he's having, though hold all this lets kill'em if they're no good at nothing stuff, just because they can't do anything helpful like building a kickass wall out of Macgyver'd materials doesn't mean they must be killed. You could always use more people to help you harvest, making bricks out of mud, or just someone to play monopoly with. Maybe I care too much, Whatever, that is a win in my book.
My two cents.
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[Horizon]

I personally think that letting people you don't know in is really sketchy. You don't know what kind of issues they have, and what if those strangers let more strangers in? What if they steal your things? I would rather not have to worry about trust during the end of the world.

You see, people change when their lives or children are at risk.

Parents are the worst. Sooner or later they will do anything to make sure that their kids survive, even if it means killing you.

[The Flaming Mango]

PFC? Horizion, From that post I though your rank was major asshole! Seriously man, you can't be all paranoid like that. Whatever happened to the benefit of the doubt and the undying human spirit? Instead of being all sterotypical, and flying off the handle when you see and outsider, why don't you just check to see if they meet some of the aforementioned criteria (CmdKrue, ftw!) If they don't you can do what you wish with them, but if they do, maybe you ought to let them in.

TL;DR don't be an overly paranoid Major Asshole.
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[Flyboy]

In my opinion, its not survival of the beloved, its survival of the fittest. What I'm trying to say is that I cant spend my power and ammo on saving people I love who slows me down (not fit for this kind of action), but I can bayonette those bastards if thats a fit guy that'd make a really good use of. Anyone that simply has the ability to fight and survive in the outbreak on his/her own is welcome, but these guys will be selected and the team will be assembled long before the outbreak or just in the beginning of the outbreak, so recruiting will be nearly impossible after then.

If a people wants to join then I'll have a talk with him/her (half-interrogating) and if he/she's not a robot he/she will have to give a mark with his/her body language whether he/she(goddamn isnt there any easier way to adress both sexes ?) is sincere or not. If accepted and recruited, the newcomer(I dont like using newbie or noob for people who joins later) will be under strict supervision of all team members till proved to be trustable. If not accepted, well give him/her a safe passage out.