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Tristan's Nexus
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 Posted: 2010 Mar 06 21:53 Post subject: Just how useful are revolvers in reality? |
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*THIS ISN'T JUST ABOUT REVOLVERS...COMMONLY SEEN PISTOLS IN GENERAL!"
Revolvers.
The staple gun of the common all-american household.
The staple sidearm of Zombie-hunters everywhere. (At least in many movies)
It's has also been displayed as a powerful pistol in many types of media, video games, movies, Television, and the such. However, how useful are they in reality?
Here are the Pros and cons I can think of. May add more.
Pros:
-High-power
-Can fire many (6) shots quickly
-Usually small.
Cons:
-Low magezine *Correct word? If not, please tell me*
-Can take some time to reload
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If more pros/cons are said, I'll add them, thanks.
Tl;Dr:
Are revolvers useful? Discuss? |
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Carlos Spicyweiner
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| Posted: 2010 Mar 06 23:25 Post subject: |
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I'd probably carry one around JUST IN CASE, but that's it. I'd try not to use one.
I call them useless.
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Tristan's Nexus
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| Posted: 2010 Mar 06 23:26 Post subject: |
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| Alright, but can you tell me why? If it's because you have a better option or because of some glaring problem, I'd like to know, thanks. |
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Preacher
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| Posted: 2010 Mar 07 08:34 Post subject: |
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I am going to have to disagree with Senior Spiceyweiner for a couple of reasons.
Revolvers have the advantage of being simple to operate, require less manual dexterity and can be used with little or no training.
They can, as a rule, handle higher power loads and are inherently more accurate than auto-loaders. With a couple of exceptions, they are more reliable over time and under heavy abuse.
Keep in mind that the revolver has been around and in use for a lot longer than even the earliest autoloader and they STILL exist because they fill an important niche.
It is true that a trained person with an autoloader has a decided advantage over the a trained man with a revolver. The revolver shines, however, when you put an untrained person with an autoloader against and untrained person with a revolver.
The biggest advantage of a revolver in a SHTF scenario is, in my mind, that you can hand one to a completely untrained individual and expect them to be at least passingly useful.
With all of this in mind, my go-to handguns are my Glock 30 and my Glock 21.
My backup guns are two snub-nosed .357 Magnums.
My hunting guns are a 6" .357 Magnum revolver and a 7.25" .22 autoloader.
JUST FOR FUN: For those who thing revolvers are passe', just go to YouTube and look for videos starring Jerry Miculek...
How about 8 shots in under a second and 12 rounds from a revolver in less than 3 seconds?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWSvjgNOJyo&NR=1
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Norse Diomedes
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| Posted: 2010 Mar 07 12:04 Post subject: Re: Just how useful are revolvers in reality? |
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| Tristan's Nexus wrote: |
| pros/cons |
Normally this type of post would have me digging the out an elephant's heart with a plastic spork. That's how much it pisses me off, because most people who post pros/cons of a revolver don't know much about them or put an extremely small amount of thought into them. However I'm not going to jump your case for it.
| Preacher wrote: |
| I am going to have to disagree with Senior Spiceyweiner |
SHAZZAM!
I'll go ahead and list a few pros that our local man of the cloth forgot to mention....
1) They don't throw brass every fucking where. If you can't see how this would be helpful search through Sinnerman's recent posts.
2) They'll shoot any load that can be fired through a firearm. When I say any I mean any. Hot and heavy loads to those so weak they won't even begin to cycle in an auto. Going back to hot and heavy consider this... Some reloading manuals my old employer had in his collection had sections marked "Ruger pistols only" or something of that nature. So some revolvers can handle some really fooking hot loads without failing catastrophically...***
3) No magazine springs to worry about. Heck. No magazine to worry about period. Hope all you folks have the mindset to hang onto a couple of your magazines and keep them in good shape. Since when you run out all you've got is a fancy single-shot pistol.***
4) When things get really ugly, up close, and personal. Try to tie up with me and you're getting a Ruger Security Six in the gun. Then I'm emptying the cylinder into your body. Not only is the bullet leaving the gun, but all that excess gas has to find somewhere to go. Which is usually right into your corpse right with the bullet. Now I said empty the cylinder. I might have a little trouble doing that with an auto. Seeing as how me jamming the thing into your gut might leave me with only one shot after it malfunctions. Either from a nice chunk of gore or cloth sticking to it or all that excess gas playing hell with the gun. Considering the clothing issue... I've been thinking about picking up one of those "hammer less" revolvers Taurus is turning out now days.
***The two primary reasons for having revolvers in my collection. Just in case I have to work with mystery (or just plain piss poor quality) ammunition and/or I am lacking in the detachable magazine department. |
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Tristan's Nexus
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| Posted: 2010 Mar 07 13:27 Post subject: |
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| Thanks, I'll be sure to add some of this stuff. |
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Zero
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| Posted: 2010 Mar 07 14:32 Post subject: |
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If there was an HQ and a standard gear loadout for ZORT tacticians, it would include Medusa Model 47 revolvers.
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Preacher
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| Posted: 2010 Mar 07 14:33 Post subject: Re: Just how useful are revolvers in reality? |
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| Norse Diomedes wrote: |
Considering the clothing issue... I've been thinking about picking up one of those "hammer less" revolvers Taurus is turning out now days.
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I currently own a matching set of those and they work. I can fire them through a coat pocket (Yes, I tried it!)
Mine have a concealed hammer and a nub you can use to manually cock the hammer if you have a mind to do so. I like them better than the 'hammerless' versions because it gives you that nice, crisp single-action trigger for 'longer' shots.
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zombieslasher86
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| Posted: 2010 Mar 07 15:13 Post subject: |
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Whats the most effective pistol caliber for most situations.
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Preacher
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| Posted: 2010 Mar 07 15:50 Post subject: |
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| zombieslasher86 wrote: |
| Whats the most effective pistol caliber for most situations. |
No such thing.
A .44mag to shoot squirrel would be ridiculous and a .22 to shoot a bear would be suicidal. Yes, you could do that (and it has been done) but neither is the best revolver for the situation.
You have to ask yourself what your primary concern is.....
Self Defense? I think a .357 Magnum is the best.
Hunting large game? .44 Mag or .44 special, .357 is OK for an average deer but might be anemic against a Bear or Elk unless you get close.
Hunting small game? A .22, .22 Mag, .17HMR
The nice thing about all of the calibers I mentioned is that you can get rifles that fire them as well, allowing you to carry fewer types of ammo.
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Carlos Spicyweiner
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| Posted: 2010 Mar 07 18:51 Post subject: |
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I know what preach means here. Some of those revolvers carry rounds that can split someones wig wide open with no problem. But reloading would be the big issue to me. Unless you're a revolver enthusiast, you'll probably struggle reloading it under stress. The average person probably wouldn't have a belt handy, and they don't train to reload them quickly and smoothly. I don't train on it, so I wouldn't carry one. If you're good with the weapon, then have at it.
Saying the weapon is useless was more of an opinion. I'd have a hell of a time reloading one in an "OH SHIT" situation. I'd end up doing harm to the team in an "OH FUCK" situation.
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Zero
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| Posted: 2010 Mar 08 01:59 Post subject: |
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| Carlos Spicyweiner wrote: |
I know what preach means here. Some of those revolvers carry rounds that can split someones wig wide open with no problem. But reloading would be the big issue to me. Unless you're a revolver enthusiast, you'll probably struggle reloading it under stress. The average person probably wouldn't have a belt handy, and they don't train to reload them quickly and smoothly. I don't train on it, so I wouldn't carry one. If you're good with the weapon, then have at it.
Saying the weapon is useless was more of an opinion. I'd have a hell of a time reloading one in an "OH SHIT" situation. I'd end up doing harm to the team in an "OH FUCK" situation. |
Speedloaders exist, young son. That shit's not as complicated as you'd think.
http://images.google.com/images?q=revolver+speedloader&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&ei=XKCUS5jcKIuQtgetyI2GCw&gbv=2
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sinnerman
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| Posted: 2010 Mar 09 20:59 Post subject: Re: Just how useful are revolvers in reality? |
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| Tristan's Nexus wrote: |
*THIS ISN'T JUST ABOUT REVOLVERS...COMMONLY SEEN PISTOLS IN GENERAL!"
Revolvers.
Here are the Pros and cons I can think of. May add more.
Pros:
-High-power
-Can fire many (6) shots quickly
-Usually small.
Cons:
-Low magezine *Correct word? If not, please tell me*
-Can take some time to reload
-
If more pros/cons are said, I'll add them, thanks.
Tl;Dr:
Are revolvers useful? Discuss? |
Have to disagree with you on your list of both Pros & Cons. I think your exposure to high quality people who chose revolvers is slim. As Preacher said check out Jerry M or Bob L. to see some true masters handle a revolver to understand how fast they can be. Magazine is the correct term for where you store ammunition in a gun but in a revolver the magazine is called the cylinder. There are actually 8-12 shot revolvers being made. Revolvers come in all sizes some more powerful and some less powerful. Here's my list of Pros and Cons:
Revolvers Pros:
1) Ease of Use
2) Simple to Operate
3) Handles varying or multiple loads and loads of different power levels.
4) Retains Brass (not just for reloading.. Try being on the wet deck of a moving boat and have brass rolling underfoot while your trying to move quickly!).
5) Durability
6) Reliability
Revolvers Cons:
1) Can be expensive for the performance.
2) Limited Ammo Capacity
3) Difficult to Maintain/Repair. Repairs need an experienced and competent Gunsmith.
4) Can be heavy for the caliber (this is also a 'Pro' with powerful ammo)
5) Limited availability of accessories (the autos just plain have more stuff available).
6) Limited Training available. Nowadays all the top schools are geared for the auto. The best general revolver training program was probably the FBI's program. Its hard to find folks well versed in the revolver to learn the advanced techniques. This is not a real concern for hunting. It will be for defensive use.
I have many revolvers. Each has a specific purpose from the large heavy hunting .44Mags to a tiny Italian .32 that simply disappears in my pants pocket. My favorite calibers for Revolvers are .38Spl/.357Mag and .44Spl/.44Mag. My second most favorite are .45Colt and .22LR. The other calibers I have are basically for fun or curios like the little no name Italian .32 (literally No name my uncle brought it back after WWII from Italy). Just about every gun has its proper place and time for use. To directly answer your question. How useful are Revolvers? In my experience Very Useful. I won't be abandoning mine anytime soon.
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Beryan Offan
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| Posted: 2010 Mar 12 23:27 Post subject: an extra plus for revolvers. |
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I've always been a revolver fan myself, I've seen them break and I've seen bad rounds not fire, but I have never seen one jam.
Maybe its my lack of experience with semi-auto hand guns, and if that's the case I ask that someone be so kind as to correct me.
From what I've seen most semi-autos eject their spent brass to the right side, which is just fine if you are shooting right handed or with a two handed grip, but if you are shooting left handed all that brass and blow black mess is ejecting across your face.
Therefore I conclude that a revolver is better for a left handed person.
My revolver of choice at the moment is a 1958, 38 caliber S&W police special w/4 inch barrel because I have small hands for a man and its comfortable to shoot.
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Zero
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| Posted: 2010 Mar 13 00:42 Post subject: Re: an extra plus for revolvers. |
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| Beryan Offan wrote: |
I've always been a revolver fan myself, I've seen them break and I've seen bad rounds not fire, but I have never seen one jam.
Maybe its my lack of experience with semi-auto hand guns, and if that's the case I ask that someone be so kind as to correct me.
From what I've seen most semi-autos eject their spent brass to the right side, which is just fine if you are shooting right handed or with a two handed grip, but if you are shooting left handed all that brass and blow black mess is ejecting across your face.
Therefore I conclude that a revolver is better for a left handed person.
My revolver of choice at the moment is a 1958, 38 caliber S&W police special w/4 inch barrel because I have small hands for a man and its comfortable to shoot.
Bery |
A gunslinger should be able to shoot both left and right handed accurately. What happens when some goober shoots you in your strong side first, attempting to disarm you? I'm half retarded, left handed, and I still can shoot with both hands.
It's less a matter of handedness, and more of eye control. (for me atleast)
Also, you've missed an idea. What happens when you go to reload your right handed revolver with your right hand? You gonna reach over the gun while you attempt to shove bullets in the cylinder with your "clumsy" hand?
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